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  Obtain the Lagrangian from the system of coupled equation

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In this particular paper,

"Interaction between a moving mirror and radiation pressure: A Hamiltonian formulation" by C.K.Law, PhysRevA.51.2537

¨Qk=ω2kQk+2˙qqjgkj˙Qj+¨qq˙q2q2jgkjQj+˙q2q2jgjkgjQ

m¨q=V(q)q+1qk,j(1)k+jωkωjQkQj where k,j,N+{1,2,3,}.

Here the position-dependent frequencies ωk are given by ωk(q)=kπq and the dimensionless coefficients gkj are given by

gkj={(1)k+j2kjj2k2kj0k=j

L(q,˙q,Qk,˙Qk)=12k[˙Q2kω2k(q)Q2k]+12m˙q2V(q)˙qqj,kgkj˙QkQj+˙q22q2j,k,gkjgkQQj

how to obtain the Lagrangian as given in Eq 3.1 from the system of coupled Equation 2.6 & 2.7

Problem i am facing is to identify the canonical momentum in such Equation and also unable to formulate in Euler-Lagrangian form so as to get the lagrangian.

Τhe canonical momenta Pk,p conjugate to Qk,q respectively are given in the paper by the following equations Pk=˙Qk˙qqjgkjQjp=m˙q1qjkgkjPkQj

I have tried the back-step process where i had tried to get the system of eqns. from the given Lagrangian with no success. May be i need a different approach

I will be very grateful for any kind of help regarding this matter.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2015-09-11 17:21 (UTC), posted by SE-user Phyreak
asked Aug 20, 2015 in Theoretical Physics by Phyreak (10 points) [ no revision ]
retagged Sep 11, 2015
Labels k, j, l seem to run over the entire N. In eqs.(2.9-2.10), do you have gkj=0 for k=±j or are k,j0?

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MAIN SECTION : The Lagrangian

Let express the equations of motion and the Euler-Lagrange equations with zero right hand sides

¨Qk+ω2kQk2˙qqjgkj˙Qj¨qq˙q2q2jgkjQj˙q2q2jgjkgjQ=0

m¨q+V(q)q1qk,j(1)k+jωkωjQkQj=0

ddt(L˙Qk)LQk=0

ddt(L˙q)Lq=0

where L(q,˙q,Qk,˙Qk) the Lagrangian.

We proceed to the following definitions in order to handle the large amount of variables and indices by means of compressed simplified expressions : Qdef[Q1Q2Qk]˙Qdef[˙Q1˙Q2˙Qk]¨Qdef[¨Q1¨Q2¨Qk]

Gdef[0g12g13g1kg210g23g2kgk1gk2gk30]=GT

Ω(q)def[ω1000ω2000ωk]=πq[10002000k]=ΩT(q)

ϕ(q,˙q)def˙qq

We define also the real scalar below, something like the inner product of real vectors

<Q,P>defkQkPk

Under these definitions and using equations (A-01), see AUXILIARY SECTION, we have the following expressions (08) in place of the equations of motion (01) and (09) in place of (02):

¨Q+Ω2(q)Q2ϕ(q,˙q)G˙Q˙ϕ(q,˙q)GQ+ϕ2(q,˙q)G2Q=0

m¨q+V(q)q1q<Ω2(q)Q,Q>+1q<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>=0 ddt(L˙Q)LQ=0 ddt(L˙q)Lq=0 while the Lagrangian of the system, see equation (3.1) in the question, using equations (A-02) is expressed as L(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)=12<˙Q,˙Q>12<Ω2(q)Q,Q>+12m˙q2V(q)ϕ<GQ,˙Q>12ϕ2<G2Q,Q> ----------------------------------------------------------- and in even more compact form L(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)=12(ϕGQ˙Q2ΩQ2)+12m˙q2V We'll try to build the Lagrangian step by step by a trial and error procedure.

So, we expect the 1st term of equation (08a) to come from a Lagrangian part L1(˙Q) such that by (09a) ddt(L1˙Q)=¨QL1˙Q=˙Q From the rule (A-3.d), see AUXILIARY SECTION, L1 is L1(˙Q)=12<˙Q,˙Q> since (<˙Q,˙Q>)˙Q=2˙Q

For the 2nd term of equation (08a) we expect a Lagrangian part L2(q,Q) such that by (09a) L2Q=Ω2(q)Q so L2(q,Q)=12<Ω2(q)Q,Q> since from the rule (A-3.c) and the symmetric (more exactly : diagonal) matrix Ω2=(Ω2)T (<Ω2Q,Q>)Q=[Ω2+(Ω2)T]Q=2Ω2Q But as the Lagrangian part L2(q,Q) is a function of q also, it produces items in the equations of motion if inserted to the 2nd term of (09b) : L2q=+12(<Ω2Q,Q>)Q=+<ΩΩqQ,Q>=1q<Ω2(q)Q,Q> that is exactly the 3rd term in equation (08b).

On the other hand the first two terms of (08b) are those of a particle moving in a potential, so they come from a Lagrangian part L3(q,˙q) : L3(q,˙q)=12m˙q2V(q) This part L3(q,˙q) if inserted to (9a) produces nothing (no term in equations of motion). Now, in (08a) half of the 3rd term and the 4th term give ϕ(q,˙q)G˙Q˙ϕ(q,˙q)GQ=ddt(ϕGQ) so we expect a Lagrangian part L4(q,˙q,Q,˙Q) such that by (09a) L4˙Q=ϕ(q,˙q)GQ that is L4(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)=ϕ(q,˙q)<GQ,˙Q> But, because of the antisymmetry of G, this part may be expressed also as L4(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)=+ϕ(q,˙q)<G˙Q,Q> so inserting this in the 2nd term of (09a) L4Q=ϕ(q,˙q)G˙Q which is the other half of the 3rd term in (08a). This means that L4, if inserted in (09a), produces the 3rd and 4th terms of (08a) ddt(L4˙Q)L4Q=2ϕ(q,˙q)G˙Q˙ϕ(q,˙q)GQ The output of the insertion of L4 in (09b) would be examined later together with L5. The 5th term of (08a) may be come from a Lagrangian part L5(q,˙q,Q,˙Q) such that by (09a)
L5Q=ϕ2(q,˙q)G2Q so L5(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)=12ϕ2<G2Q,Q> since from (A-03.c) and the symmetry of G2 (<G2Q,Q>)Q=(G2+(G2)T)Q=2G2Q It can be proved, see A PROOF SECTION, that the sum L45=L4+L5 L45(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)=L4+L5=12ϕ2<G2Q,Q>ϕ(q,˙q)<GQ,˙Q> if inserted in (09b) produces the 4th term of (08b) ddt(L45˙q)L45q=+1q<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>

In equation (30) below we sum up the found Lagrangian parts and the final Lagrangian is L(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)=12<˙Q,˙Q>L112<Ω2(q)Q,Q>L2+12m˙q2V(q)L3ϕ<GQ,˙Q>L412ϕ2<G2Q,Q>L5 ----------------------------------------------------------- identical to that given in the paper, equation (10).

Equations (31) are the equations of motion (08) with braces under items indicated from which Lagrangian terms Lm these items come from :
¨QL1+Ω2(q)QL22ϕ(q,˙q)G˙Q˙ϕ(q,˙q)GQL4+ϕ2(q,˙q)G2QL5=0 m¨q+V(q)qL31q<Ω2(q)Q,Q>L2+1q<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>L4+L5=0
Note that the canonical momenta P,p conjugate to Q,q respectively are
P=L˙Q=˙Q˙qqGQp=L˙q=m˙q1q<GQ,P> where for the proof of (32b) p=L˙q=m˙q1q<GQ,˙Q>˙qq2<G2Q,Q>=m˙q1q<GQ,˙Q>+˙qq2<GQ,GQ>=m˙q1q<GQ,˙Q˙qqGQP>=m˙q1q<GQ,P> Equations (32a) and (32b) are identical to (3.3) and (3.4) of the paper respectively, given below Pk=˙Qk˙qqjgkjQjp=m˙q1qjkgkjPkQj


answered Aug 21, 2015 by bornmax (80 points) [ revision history ]
edited Sep 14, 2015 by bornmax
@diracpaul, thanks for showing such effort for this question, can you send any email ID of yours to contact you.

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**AUXILIARY SECTION :** *Compressed simplified expressions and partial differentiation rules*

Equations (A-01) are useful for the conversion of the equations of motion from the form (01) to the form (08) :
ω2kQk=[Ω2(q)Q]kjgkjQj=[GQ]kjgkj˙Qj=[G˙Q]kjgjkgjQ=(jgkjgj)Q=(G2)kQ=(G2Q)k¨qq˙q2q2=ddt(˙qq)=dϕ(q,˙q)dt=˙ϕ(q,˙q)k,j(1)k+jωkωjQkQj=<Ω2(q)Q,Q><Ω2(q)Q,GQ>
The proof of (A-01.f) runs as follows
k,j(1)k+jωkωjQkQj=kω2kQ2k<Ω2(q)Q,Q>+k,jk(1)k+jωkωjQkQj<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>
since
k,jk(1)k+jωkωjQkQj=(πq)2k,jk(1)k+jkjQkQj=(πq)2k,jk(1)k+j2kjj2k2gkjj2k22QkQj=12k,jgkj(ω2jω2k)QkQj=12j(ω2jQj)[Ω2(q)Q]j[GQ]jkgjkQk12k(ω2kQk)[Ω2(q)Q]k[GQ]kjgkjQj=<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>
-----------------------------------------------------------

Equations (A-02) and (A-03) are useful for the conversion of the Lagrangian from the form (3.1), see equation in question, to the form (10) and for the construction of this Lagrangian step by step from the equations of motion (08) :
k˙Q2k=<˙Q,˙Q>=˙Q2kω2k(q)Q2k=<Ω2Q,Q>=<ΩQ,ΩTQ>=<ΩQ,ΩQ>=ΩQ2j,kgkj˙QkQj=<GQ,˙Q>=<G˙Q,Q>j,k,gkjgkQQj=<G2Q,Q>=<GQ,GQ>=GQ2
Equations (A-02.c) and (A-02.d) are proved respectively as follows
j,kgkj˙QkQj=k(jgkjQj)˙Qk=k[GQ]k[˙Q]k=<GQ,˙Q>=<Q,GT˙Q>=<Q,G˙Q>=<G˙Q,Q>
j,k,gkjgkQQj=k(jgkjQj)(gkQ)=k[GQ]k[GQ]k=<GQ,GQ>=<GTGQ,Q>=<G2Q,Q>

Equations (A-03) below are in a sense partial differentiation rules of a scalar function of a vector variable S with respect to this variable. The scalar functions are usually inner products and the variable vector is S=Qor˙Q. In the following A,R
are vectors and F linear transformation all of them independent of the variable vector S. Usually  F=Ω,Ω2,G,G2 :
 
(<A,S>)S=(<S,A>)S=A(<R,FS>)S=(<FTR,S>)S=FTR(<FS,S>)S=(F+FT)S(<S,S>)S=2S
(A-03.b) is a special case of (A-03.a) with A=FTR and (A-03.d) is a special case of (A-03.c) with F=I.  

An identity useful in the following section is
GT=G<GS,S>=0,for any real vector S
since
<GS,S>=<S,GTS>=<S,(G)S>=<GS,S>  


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**A PROOF SECTION :** *Proof of equation (29) given equation (28).*  
 
We'll prove equation (29) from (28), the two equations repeated here for convenience
ddt(L45˙q)L45q=+1q<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>
where
L45(q,˙q,Q,˙Q)def12ϕ2(q,˙q)<G2Q,Q>ϕ(q,˙q)<GQ,˙Q>

L45q=ϕϕq<G2Q,Q>+ϕq<GQ,˙Q>=(˙qq)(˙qq)q<G2Q,Q>+(˙qq)q<GQ,˙Q>
so
L45q=(˙q2q3)<G2Q,Q>+(˙qq2)<GQ,˙Q>
Now
L45˙q=ϕϕ˙q<G2Q,Q>ϕ˙q<GQ,˙Q>L45˙q=(˙qq2)<G2Q,Q>+(1q)<GQ,˙Q>
Differentiating (B-02) with respect to t
ddt(L45˙q)=(¨qq2˙q2q3)<G2Q,Q>+(˙qq2)<G2˙Q,Q>+(˙qq2)<G2Q,˙Q>+(˙qq2)<GQ,˙Q>+(1q)<G˙Q,˙Q>=0,see (A-04)+(1q)<GQ,¨Q>
Adding (B-01) and (B-03)
ddt(L45˙q)L45q=(¨qq˙q2q3)<G2Q,Q>+(2˙qq2)<G2Q,˙Q>+(1q)<GQ,¨Q>=1q<¨q˙q2q2GQ+2˙qqG˙Q¨Q,GQ>=1q<˙ϕGQ+2ϕG˙Q¨Q=Ω2(q)Q+ϕ2G2Q, see (08a),GQ>=1q<Ω2(q)Q+ϕ2G2Q,GQ>=1q<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>+ϕ2q<G2Q,GQ>=0,see (A-04)
so
ddt(L45˙q)L45q=+1q<Ω2(q)Q,GQ>
QED.

answered Sep 13, 2015 by bornmax (80 points) [ revision history ]
edited Sep 14, 2015 by bornmax

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