Quantcast
  • Register
PhysicsOverflow is a next-generation academic platform for physicists and astronomers, including a community peer review system and a postgraduate-level discussion forum analogous to MathOverflow.

Welcome to PhysicsOverflow! PhysicsOverflow is an open platform for community peer review and graduate-level Physics discussion.

Please help promote PhysicsOverflow ads elsewhere if you like it.

News

PO is now at the Physics Department of Bielefeld University!

New printer friendly PO pages!

Migration to Bielefeld University was successful!

Please vote for this year's PhysicsOverflow ads!

Please do help out in categorising submissions. Submit a paper to PhysicsOverflow!

... see more

Tools for paper authors

Submit paper
Claim Paper Authorship

Tools for SE users

Search User
Reclaim SE Account
Request Account Merger
Nativise imported posts
Claim post (deleted users)
Import SE post

Users whose questions have been imported from Physics Stack Exchange, Theoretical Physics Stack Exchange, or any other Stack Exchange site are kindly requested to reclaim their account and not to register as a new user.

Public \(\beta\) tools

Report a bug with a feature
Request a new functionality
404 page design
Send feedback

Attributions

(propose a free ad)

Site Statistics

206 submissions , 164 unreviewed
5,103 questions , 2,249 unanswered
5,355 answers , 22,794 comments
1,470 users with positive rep
820 active unimported users
More ...

  Some questions about calculation central charge in a CFT in $d$ spacetime dimensions

+ 5 like - 0 dislike
2795 views

This is based on this paper, http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0212138

  • For a CFT on a $S^d$ spacetime (of radius R) it seems to be claimed that the central charge is given by, $ c = \langle \int_{S^d_R} d^dx \sqrt{g} T_\mu ^\mu \rangle $

  • Their equation 23 (on page 6) seems to indicate that if $W = -log Z$ is the free energy of the theory then it further follows that, $c = \frac{1}{d}R \frac{\partial }{\partial R} W$ (...I believe that the derivative is being evaluated at the value of the radius of the sphere..)

  • Just below equation 26 it is claimed that, "...the central charge can be read off from the coefficient of log R in an expansion of W[R]..."

I would like to know the proof/derivation of three methods that have been spelt out to calculate the central charge of a CFT.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user user6818
asked Oct 27, 2013 in Theoretical Physics by user6818 (960 points) [ no revision ]
"Method" $3$ is an obvious consequence of Method $2$ ($c = \frac{1}{d}R \frac{\partial }{\partial R} W$). If you get $W = a Log R +b$, you will have $c=\frac{a}{d}$

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user Trimok
@Trimok Isn't your argument just one-way? What if it were $W = aR^2 + bR$? Then $c = (R/d)(2aR + b)$. I don't get what you are saying. Firstly one can't have a term like "log(R)" in $W$ since $R$ has dimensions and one can't take log of something with dimensions. So even if such a log term arises it will come compensated with some scale to make the argument dimensionless. So it can still be something like, $W = alog(\Lambda R) + bR^2 + cR$ say and then this method-3 will not work!. And also why should such a "log(R)" term be natural?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user user6818
@Trimok One way the things can match up is if in the method-3 there is an implicit limit of $R \rightarrow 0$..but why should that be?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user user6818
If you look at expressions $(36), (40), (48),(50)$, you see that $V_1$ and $V_2$ ($W_f \sim V_1+V_2$), respect the expression $(a \log R+b)$.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user Trimok
@Trimok But aren't these 3 methods quoted there a general statement about all CFTs? Or are they also claiming that this $a log (\Lambda R) + b$ is the general form for all $Ws$ for CFTs? [...you might have a look at this related question that I had asked - physics.stackexchange.com/questions/73612/… ... ]

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user user6818
In the large $R$ limit (see text between equations $26$ and $27$), $fR^{d-2\Delta} \to \infty$ , that is $fg_l \to \infty$, we may replace, in equation $25$, $\log (1+fg_l)$ by $\log (fg_l)$, and, in equation $24$, we have $g_l \sim R^{d-2\Delta}$, so we naturally get $\log R$ terms in the large $R$ limit.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user Trimok
@Trimok hmm..that is interesting..so they are using this $f$ coupling in the Lagrangian to set a scale for what is "large" and "small" R and arguing that in the large R limit W is always logarithmic in R...is that so? So they are making an asymptotic statement that for CFTs on any dimensional sphere in the limit of large radius W will always asymptotically scale as log R...right?[...but this argument also means that in the limit of small radius or no double-trace deformation the free energy of the CFT vanishes..how does one understand that?..]

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user user6818
@Trimok It would be great to know of your views on the other points too.. :)

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user user6818
@Trimok Also I would wonder how many of these statements are special about $S^d$..wonder what happens to these statements if one is on say $\mathbb{H}^{d-1} \times S^1$ - a natural space for the CFT to live in from the point of view of entanglement entropy.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user user6818
Although it does not concern the sphere, and it is in the special context of string theory ($d=2$), there is an interesting paragraph in David Tong course, p $82-89$, Chapters $4.1,4.4.1,4.4.2,4.4.3$, about the relations between the central charge $c$, $<T^\mu_\mu>$, and the partition function $Z$.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-07 13:48 (UCT), posted by SE-user Trimok

Your answer

Please use answers only to (at least partly) answer questions. To comment, discuss, or ask for clarification, leave a comment instead.
To mask links under text, please type your text, highlight it, and click the "link" button. You can then enter your link URL.
Please consult the FAQ for as to how to format your post.
This is the answer box; if you want to write a comment instead, please use the 'add comment' button.
Live preview (may slow down editor)   Preview
Your name to display (optional):
Privacy: Your email address will only be used for sending these notifications.
Anti-spam verification:
If you are a human please identify the position of the character covered by the symbol $\varnothing$ in the following word:
p$\hbar$ysics$\varnothing$verflow
Then drag the red bullet below over the corresponding character of our banner. When you drop it there, the bullet changes to green (on slow internet connections after a few seconds).
Please complete the anti-spam verification




user contributions licensed under cc by-sa 3.0 with attribution required

Your rights
...