Quantcast
  • Register
PhysicsOverflow is a next-generation academic platform for physicists and astronomers, including a community peer review system and a postgraduate-level discussion forum analogous to MathOverflow.

Welcome to PhysicsOverflow! PhysicsOverflow is an open platform for community peer review and graduate-level Physics discussion.

Please help promote PhysicsOverflow ads elsewhere if you like it.

News

PO is now at the Physics Department of Bielefeld University!

New printer friendly PO pages!

Migration to Bielefeld University was successful!

Please vote for this year's PhysicsOverflow ads!

Please do help out in categorising submissions. Submit a paper to PhysicsOverflow!

... see more

Tools for paper authors

Submit paper
Claim Paper Authorship

Tools for SE users

Search User
Reclaim SE Account
Request Account Merger
Nativise imported posts
Claim post (deleted users)
Import SE post

Users whose questions have been imported from Physics Stack Exchange, Theoretical Physics Stack Exchange, or any other Stack Exchange site are kindly requested to reclaim their account and not to register as a new user.

Public \(\beta\) tools

Report a bug with a feature
Request a new functionality
404 page design
Send feedback

Attributions

(propose a free ad)

Site Statistics

206 submissions , 164 unreviewed
5,103 questions , 2,249 unanswered
5,355 answers , 22,794 comments
1,470 users with positive rep
820 active unimported users
More ...

  How can a deSitter space have finite size?

+ 3 like - 0 dislike
624 views

a deSitter space is a maximally symmetric solution of Einstein equations, I have some problem picturing one thing: this space is past and future (time) infinite but spatial slices have finite size, how can we have finite size in slicing at constant time, and infinite time size when slicing at constant radial coordinate if the solution is supposed to be symmetric in the plane (t,r).

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-01 12:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user toot
asked Jul 13, 2012 in Theoretical Physics by toot (445 points) [ no revision ]

1 Answer

+ 1 like - 0 dislike

The reason is that the constant time slice ends on the cosmological horizon. If you look at deSitter space in t,r coordinates, the metric is (in appropriate units):

$$ ds^2 = - (1-r^2) dt^2 + {1\over 1-r^2} dr^2 + r^2 (d\theta^2 + \sin^2\theta d\phi^2) $$

The time coordinate freezes at r=1, so that the entire history of the region is contained in $0<r<1$. This is the reason for the finite volume. The distance between the spheres at $r$ and $r+dr$ is read off from the metric:

$$ ds = {dr\over \sqrt{1-r^2}}$$

and this has an inverse square-root singularity at r=1, which has a finite integral. So if you integrate for the volume, you multiply the radial distance by the area of the sphere at radius r, or $4\pi r^2$, to find

$$ V = \int_0^1 {4\pi r^2 \over \sqrt{1-r^2}} = \pi^2 $$

To do the integral, change variables to $u^2=1-r^2$ and it becomes $4\pi$ times the area of a quarter-circle of unit radius.

The result is finite because you are looking at a causal patch of deSitter space. The geodesics separate exponentially due to the positive curvature (in Euclidean positively curved space, they converge, but this is Minkowski signature). This means that the full space disconnects into regions which are not in causal contact with each other. Each such region is finite volume.

When you slice at constant r, you produce an infinite cylinder. This is not a contradiction.

The reason this is counterintuitive is because the t-coordinate is bad at r=1. The killing vector defining t becomes null at a finite distance away from the origin. The finite volume is the volume of the region where the t-coordinate is timelike and a killing vector, it is not the full volume of the space (in the GR maximally extended way of looking at things).

The Euclidean continuation of deSitter space is just the 4-sphere. This comes from changing the sign of the dt term in the metric. The physics of deSitter space is best thought of as a path integral on the sphere, not in some sort of maximal extension. This is a point of contention, as a lot of people don't like cutting off the universe at the visible universe, but this is the way suggested by the holographic principle. The periodicity of the deSitter space sphere in imaginary time tells you the Hawking temperature of the cosmological horizon, and the finite volume of the t=0 slice just becomes the volume of the 3-sphere section of the 4-sphere at imaginary time 0.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-05-01 12:18 (UCT), posted by SE-user Ron Maimon
answered Jul 15, 2012 by Ron Maimon (7,740 points) [ no revision ]

Your answer

Please use answers only to (at least partly) answer questions. To comment, discuss, or ask for clarification, leave a comment instead.
To mask links under text, please type your text, highlight it, and click the "link" button. You can then enter your link URL.
Please consult the FAQ for as to how to format your post.
This is the answer box; if you want to write a comment instead, please use the 'add comment' button.
Live preview (may slow down editor)   Preview
Your name to display (optional):
Privacy: Your email address will only be used for sending these notifications.
Anti-spam verification:
If you are a human please identify the position of the character covered by the symbol $\varnothing$ in the following word:
p$\hbar$y$\varnothing$icsOverflow
Then drag the red bullet below over the corresponding character of our banner. When you drop it there, the bullet changes to green (on slow internet connections after a few seconds).
Please complete the anti-spam verification




user contributions licensed under cc by-sa 3.0 with attribution required

Your rights
...