Quantcast
  • Register
PhysicsOverflow is a next-generation academic platform for physicists and astronomers, including a community peer review system and a postgraduate-level discussion forum analogous to MathOverflow.

Welcome to PhysicsOverflow! PhysicsOverflow is an open platform for community peer review and graduate-level Physics discussion.

Please help promote PhysicsOverflow ads elsewhere if you like it.

News

PO is now at the Physics Department of Bielefeld University!

New printer friendly PO pages!

Migration to Bielefeld University was successful!

Please vote for this year's PhysicsOverflow ads!

Please do help out in categorising submissions. Submit a paper to PhysicsOverflow!

... see more

Tools for paper authors

Submit paper
Claim Paper Authorship

Tools for SE users

Search User
Reclaim SE Account
Request Account Merger
Nativise imported posts
Claim post (deleted users)
Import SE post

Users whose questions have been imported from Physics Stack Exchange, Theoretical Physics Stack Exchange, or any other Stack Exchange site are kindly requested to reclaim their account and not to register as a new user.

Public \(\beta\) tools

Report a bug with a feature
Request a new functionality
404 page design
Send feedback

Attributions

(propose a free ad)

Site Statistics

205 submissions , 163 unreviewed
5,082 questions , 2,232 unanswered
5,353 answers , 22,789 comments
1,470 users with positive rep
820 active unimported users
More ...

  Physical interpretation of an intermittency definition

+ 1 like - 0 dislike
1750 views

A random function $v(t)$ is said to be intermittent at small scales of its "Flatness" $F$, given as

$$ F(\Omega) = \frac{\langle (v_{\Omega}^{>}(t))^4\rangle}{\langle v_{\Omega}^{>}(t))^2\rangle} = \frac{\langle v_{\Omega}^{>}(t)v_{\Omega}^{>}(t))v_{\Omega}^{>}(t))v_{\Omega}^{>}(t))\rangle}{\langle v_{\Omega}^{>}(t)v_{\Omega}^{>}(t)\rangle \langle v_{\Omega}^{>}(t)v_{\Omega}^{>}(t)\rangle} $$

diverges as the high pass filter velocity $\Omega \rightarrow \infty$.

$v(t)$ which can for example be the velocity in the fluid, is decomposed into its Fourier components

$$ v(t) = \int_{R^3}d\omega \, e^{i\omega t}\hat{v}_{\omega} $$

and $v_{\Omega}^{>}(t)$ is the high frequency part of for example the velocity in the fluid

$$ v_{\Omega}^{>}(t) = \int_{|\omega| > \Omega} d\omega \, e^{i\omega t}\hat{v}_{\omega} $$

I am struggling hard to understant the physical meaning of this definition and nead some help in this:

First of all, why is $F$ called "flatness", it should be a measure of flatness of what? What does it mean for $F$ to diverge in the high frequency (UV) limit? Looking at the expression for $F$, I got the impression that it could mean that higher order correlations in time ("n-point functions") start to dominate in case of intermittency and more "local" 2-point interactions, which are responsible to maintain a scale invariant inertial subrange (?), become negligible such that the turbulent system starts to deviate from a Kolmogorov inertial subrange for example.

In addition, other measures of intermittency can be defined involving higher order correlations in length $l$, such as the so called hyper-flattness defined as $F_6 (l) = S_6 (l)/(S_2(l)^3)$ etc... Does this mean that one could more generally say that for a turbulent system that shows intermittency, the Wick theorem can not be applied to calculate higher order n-point functions from 2-point functions?

I am finally interested in understanding intermittency from a quantum field theory point of view, which is unfortunatelly not the point of view of the book I have taken these definitions from ...

asked Apr 2, 2013 in Theoretical Physics by Dilaton (6,240 points) [ revision history ]
Is your flatness criterion related to what people call kurtosis in stats? The formula looks a bit similar.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-09 16:26 (UCT), posted by SE-user twistor59
@twistor59, yeah the first definition looks similar to what is in my book and maybe the "peakedness" interpretation would make most sence in the context of intermittency (?), not sure ...

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-09 16:26 (UCT), posted by SE-user Dilaton
High kurtosis means a strong peak plus long tails. The long tails mean that the extreme values can't be neglected (like they could for, say, a Gaussian distribution). So in the fluid case, where they're looking at velocity gradients, this would mean that the velocity gradient was mostly low (the high peak), but there are a significant number of isolated scattered pockets where there is a very high velocity gradient (giving the long tails).

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-09 16:26 (UCT), posted by SE-user twistor59
@twistor59 that quite fits the phenomenology of intermittency as far as I understand it.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-03-09 16:26 (UCT), posted by SE-user Dilaton

Your answer

Please use answers only to (at least partly) answer questions. To comment, discuss, or ask for clarification, leave a comment instead.
To mask links under text, please type your text, highlight it, and click the "link" button. You can then enter your link URL.
Please consult the FAQ for as to how to format your post.
This is the answer box; if you want to write a comment instead, please use the 'add comment' button.
Live preview (may slow down editor)   Preview
Your name to display (optional):
Privacy: Your email address will only be used for sending these notifications.
Anti-spam verification:
If you are a human please identify the position of the character covered by the symbol $\varnothing$ in the following word:
p$\hbar$ys$\varnothing$csOverflow
Then drag the red bullet below over the corresponding character of our banner. When you drop it there, the bullet changes to green (on slow internet connections after a few seconds).
Please complete the anti-spam verification




user contributions licensed under cc by-sa 3.0 with attribution required

Your rights
...