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  C, T, P transformation mistakes in ``Peskin&Schroeder's QFT''?

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I suppose the right way to do C (charge), T (time reversal), P(parity) transformation on the state ˆO|v with operators ˆO is that:

C(ˆO|v)=(CˆOC1)(C|v)P(ˆO|v)=(PˆOP1)(P|v)T(ˆO|v)=(TˆOT1)(T|v)

Thus to understand how an operator ˆO transforms under C,P,T, we care about the following form ˆO(CˆOC1)ˆO(PˆOP1)ˆO(TˆOT1)

Here ˆO=ˆO(ˆΦ,ˆΨ,a,a) contains possible field operators (ˆΦ,ˆΨ), or a,a etc.

To understand how a state |v transforms, we care about |vC|v|vP|v|vT|v

However, in Peskin and Schroeder QFT book, throughout Chap 3, the transformation is done on the fermion field ˆΨ(operator in the QFT) : ˆΨ(CˆΨC)?(Eq.3.145)ˆΨ(PˆΨP)?(Eq.3.128)ˆΨ(TˆΨT)?(Eq.3.139)

I suppose one should take one side as inverse operator ((CˆΨC1),(PˆΨP1),(TˆΨT1)). What have been written there in Peskin and Schroeder QFT Chap 3 is incorrect, especailly because TT1, and T21 in general. (T2=1 for spin-1/2 fermion)

Am I right?(P&S incorrect here) Or am I wrong on this point? (Why is that correct? I suppose S. Weinberg and M. Srednicki and A Zee use the way I described.)

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-06-04 11:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Idear
asked Nov 24, 2013 in Theoretical Physics by wonderich (1,500 points) [ no revision ]
"I suppose S. Weinberg and M. Srednicki and A Zee use the way I described." Did you check that?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-06-04 11:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Prahar
yes, they use the one I believe to be right. I am sure.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-06-04 11:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Idear
I guess the reason that both the ways of transformation are valid is the following. C,P,T are discrete operators. Moreover C2~I,P2~I,T2~I. So even if (e.g.) you use C1 instead of C to transform a state (and hence COC to transform an operator) the result would differ only by a phase and hence physically be the same.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-06-04 11:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user user10001
To user10001: Thanks. But I could not see why T2=I in general. Does T2=1 or T2=1 does not matter at all?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-06-04 11:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Idear

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generally under symmetry transformation S, OSOS1

if SOS1=O then O is invariant under the symmetry transformation S, so S commutes with O: [S,O]=0

This is correct as you said. C(ˆO|v)=(CˆOC1)(C|v)P(ˆO|v)=(PˆOP1)(P|v)T(ˆO|v)=(TˆOT1)(T|v)

P&S is wrong there (replacing one side by the inverse operator). But the result of transformation should be correct still.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-06-04 11:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user mysteriousness
answered Nov 24, 2013 by mysteriousness (145 points) [ no revision ]
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I think it's a matter of choice. If you look through several books you'll see all the possible combination CΨ(x)C, CΨ(x)C1, CΨ(x)C (and the same for P and T). I think it all comes down to the representation you are using. Like it is said in the book of Sterman (page 524) :"The precise nature of T depends on the representation, but in the Dirac, Weyl or any other representation where only γ2 is imaginary, the choice T=T1=iγ1γ3=T servers our purpose". With the parity and charge conjugation it's the same, being unitary operators. Whatever the representation you use, the end result should be the same. So neither you or P&S are wrong.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2014-06-04 11:39 (UCT), posted by SE-user Leonida
answered Nov 24, 2013 by Leonida (130 points) [ no revision ]

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