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  Dimensional analysis of metric tensor

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In the geometry of GR, the metric tensor $g$ can determine the Riemannian connection and curvature tensor by combining the spatial derivatives (w.r.t. the 4d coordinate system) properly.

I am curious about the dimensional analysis of the metric tensor.

According to the geometric picture of GR, the connection as the potential is related with energy and the curvature tensor is related with force strength (with the mass to connect the connection/curvature with energy/force).

Then what's the dimension of the metric tensor? Intuitively it should be dimensionless, but how its first/secondary spatial derivative is related with energy/mass and force/mass=acceleration respectively?

Another observation is from the representation of Lorentz group. Where the rotation/boost is related with $SU(2)$ and $SL(2)$ transformations. If we take the $SU(2)$ or $SL(2)$ as transformations $U$ on quantum states, then they are dimensionless. So the acceleration (boost/time) can be regarded as $$dU/dt=H/\hbar=1/t$$ so we get boost is dimensionless, so time=length and energy=mass (these are normal conclusions since we usually take c=1). The reason that I check the Lorentz group representation is that the general metric tensor is generated from the Minkowski metric by dimensionless operation $GL(4)$, so this seems to confirm that the metric tensor should be dimensionless.

But if we go back to the former analysis, where the spatial derivative of the dimensionless metric tensor gives energy/mass, which is then also dimensionless since energy=mass. So we get the spatial derivative of a dimensionless value is still dimensionless.

There must be something wrong with my deduction. Can anybody help to clarify this?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:50 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD
asked Jun 19, 2017 in Theoretical Physics by XXDD (35 points) [ no revision ]
Evidently $[g] =L^2$ since coordinates in RG have no dimension and $[ds^2]=L^2$

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user Valter Moretti
@Valter Moretti Then what's the dimension of the potential and the curvature? How they correspond to the field potential and field strength? Thanks.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD
Do you mean that then the spatial derivative will not change the dimension so both the potential and field strength have the same dimension of $L^2$?

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD
Yes I do, coordinate derivatives do not change physical dimensions.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user Valter Moretti
@X.Dong Note that Valter Moretti is using convention #2 in the list I give in my answer, which, while perfectly acceptable, is not the most common choice. It's more common to give coordinates in GR the dimensions of $L^1$.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user tparker
@tparker Yes, thanks. It's easier to solve the dimension problem there by taking the coordinate dimensionless but it does not lead to a clear physical picture. I prefer to use your convention #1.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD
@tparker I am confused by the idea that $U(4)=GL(4)$=boost=metric, $dU/dt=t^{-1}=L^{-1}$=acceleration=field strength. So in GR, we get the curvature from metric by taking the spatial derivative twice, but in the QM picture(taking boost as an evolution of quantum states), we arrive at field strength by taking derivative only once!

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD

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The line element $ds^2 = g_{\mu \nu} dx^\mu dx^\nu$ has the dimensions of length$^2$. But there are several different conventions for how to distribute those dimensions across the factors:

  1. Some people like to have the metric dimensionless and have the coordinate $dx^\mu$ have the dimension of $L^1$. This is my personal favorite, because then you can figure out the dimension of the various curvature tensors by just counting how many spacetime derivatives they're made up from (one factor of $L^{-1}$ for each derivative).

  2. Some people like to have the coordinates $dx^\mu$ dimensionless, in which case the metric and all the curvature tensors have the dimensions of $L^2$.

  3. Some people like to have different coordinates and different components of the metric have different dimensions - e.g. for the Euclidean metric $ds^2 = dr^2 + r^2 d\theta^2$, $[r] = L^1$, $[\theta] = L^0$, $[g_{rr}] = L^0$, $[g_{r\theta} = L^1]$, and $[g_{\theta \theta}] = [L^2]$. In this case, the different components of the various curvature tensors have different dimensions as well.

No matter which convention you use, the dimensions always work out correctly at the end of the day, when all indices have been contracted down to physically observable Lorentz scalars.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user tparker
answered Jun 19, 2017 by tparker (385 points) [ no revision ]
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I think it might be the case that my assumption that $GL(4)$=boost=metric is not correct. Since we can only say that $GL(4)$=boost GENERATES a metric tensor. But we have no evidence that $GL(4)$ IS the metric since from the boost to the metric we need further transformations. So the relation between $GL(4)$ and the metric is the same as the relationship between the connection and metric. Then $GL(4)$ can play the role of connection. I am not sure if this can solve the problem.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD
@X.Dong I have asked a slight reformulation of your question at physics.stackexchange.com/questions/340371/….

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user tparker
@ tparker Thanks a lot for the reformulation. I will follow your post and see what's up.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD
I don’t think that convention 1 is feasible. It doesn’t even work for Schwarzschild coordinates. I think that if you want coordinates to have units then you have to go to convention 3. So I prefer 2 since it is the simplest feasible convention.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user Dale
@Dale It depends on what you mean by "work", but on second thought I'm inclined to agree with you that convention 1 is awkward for general coordinate systems. I like convention 3 now, because it seems natural (to me) to keep e.g. Cartesian coordinates on Euclidean space dimensionful. Really a matter of personal preference.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user tparker
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But in fact $F_{\mu v}$ should correspond to curvature since it's filed strength and $dF=0$. The scalar/vector potentials should be the connection. If $F$ is the connection, the $dF=0$ leads to 0 field strength.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user XXDD
@X.Dong Yes, I agree it is strange. I don't know the answer.

This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user tparker
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There's always a bit of confusion regarding coordinates and their dimensions. A coordinate is, from a physical point of view, a quantity associated with every event in a region of spacetime (the domain of the chart), in such a way that the values of a set of such quantities uniquely identify the events in that region. Any quantity will do: the distance from something, the time elapsed since something, an angle – but also a temperature or the value of a field. So we could have a local coordinate system where the coordinates have dimensions of length, angle (that is, "1"), magnetic flux, and temperature.

As tparker points out, this implies that different components of the metric tensor will have different dimensions. But every tensor has an absolute dimension, as Schouten (1989) calls it. It's the dimension of the tensor as a geometric object, independently of any coordinate system. It's the dimension of the sum $$g_{00}\;\mathrm{d}x^0 \otimes \mathrm{d}x^0 + g_{01}\;\mathrm{d}x^0 \otimes \mathrm{d}x^1 + \dotsb \equiv \pmb{g}.$$

There are different choices for the absolute dimension of the metric tensor: $\text{length}^2$, $\text{time}^2$, and so on. My favourite is $\text{time}^2$, because if we transport a clock from an event $E_1$ to an event $E_2$ (timelike separated) along a timelike path $s \mapsto c(s)$, the clock will show an elapsed time (proper time) $$\int_{c} \sqrt{\Bigl\lvert \pmb{g}[\dot{c}(s),\dot{c}(s)] \Bigr\rvert}\; \mathrm{d}s,$$ which is independent of the parametrization $s$. Assuming $c$ to be adimensional means that $\pmb{g}$ must have dimensions $\text{time}^2$. But some authors, eg Curtis & al (1985), define the elapsed time as $\frac{1}{c}$ times the integral above, so that $\pmb{g}$ has absolute dimension $\text{length}^2$ instead. Anyway, the point is that $\pmb{g}$, as an intrinsic geometric object, has a dimension that is independent of any coordinates.

Note that $\pmb{g}$'s absolute dimension causes differences in the absolute dimensions of tensors obtained from one another by raising or lowering indices.

Regarding a connection – independently of any metric – consider the action of its covariant derivative $\nabla$ on the coordinate vectors: $$\nabla \frac{\partial}{\partial x^\lambda} = \sum_{\mu\nu} \varGamma{}^{\nu}{}_{\mu\lambda}\; \frac{\partial}{\partial x^\nu}\otimes\mathrm{d}x^{\mu}.$$ To ensure that the terms in the sum and the left side have the same dimension, the Christoffel symbol $\varGamma{}^{\nu}{}_{\mu\lambda}$ must have dimensions $\mathrm{K}\,\dim(x^{\nu})\,\dim(x^{\mu})^{-1}\,\dim(x^{\lambda})^{-1}$, where $\mathrm{K}$ is arbitrary. The effect of the covariant derivative is thus to multiply the dimension of its argument by $\mathrm{K}$. It seems very natural to take $\mathrm{K}=1$, otherwise we would have troubles with the definition of the Riemann tensor: $$R(\pmb{u},\pmb{v})\pmb{w} = \nabla_{\pmb{u}}\nabla_{\pmb{v}}\pmb{w} -\nabla_{\pmb{v}}\nabla_{\pmb{u}}\pmb{w} -\nabla_{[\pmb{u},\pmb{v}]}\pmb{w},$$ where $\nabla$ appears twice in two summands and once in one summand.

From this it follows that the Riemann tensor $R{}^\bullet{}_{\bullet\bullet\bullet}$ and the Ricci tensor $R_{\bullet\bullet}$ are adimensional.

See this answer for a longer discussion.

References

  • Curtis, Miller (1985): Differential Manifolds and Theoretical Physics (Academic Press); chap. 11, eqn (11.21).
  • Schouten (1989): Tensor Analysis for Physicists (Dover, 2nd ed.); chap. VI.
This post imported from StackExchange Physics at 2025-01-23 14:51 (UTC), posted by SE-user pglpm
answered Dec 22, 2019 by pglpm (590 points) [ no revision ]

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